News -> INDReporter TUE, FEB 22 11:46AM by Leslie Turk

Patin hosts town hall-style meeting on TIF proposal

District 8 City-Parish Councilman Keith Patin has been taking a beating from the Tea Party of Lafayette for having an open mind on the creation of two proposed economic development, or TIF, districts at Kaliste Saloom Road and Camellia Boulevard. Now Patin wants to hear what his constituents have to say by calling a town-hall style meeting.

The proposed economic development districts — also called a Tax Increment Financing district — are located on 34 acres of prime real estate at Kaliste Saloom Road and Camellia Boulevard, across the street from upscale River Ranch, in District 7, which is represented by Councilman Don Bertrand. River Ranch is a traditional neighborhood development that has successfully built up in the past dozen years without requesting such incentives, made possible by the Louisiana Legislature in 2002 when it amended decades-old incentive laws to allow for a wider range of economic development projects. The proposed TIF districts are to help fund development of a luxury hotel unlike any currently offered in the market. It is a component of developer Glenn Stewart's Parc Lafayette, a lifestyle center that will also offer office, shopping and restaurants.

The TIF proposals call for an additional 2 cent sales tax and 2 cent hotel occupancy tax at the hotel, and a 1 cent sales tax in the retail development that will surround the hotel. The base sales tax of 8 percent would continue to line the coffers of the state, local government and the Lafayette Parish School Board, and absolutely no tax dollars are on the hook if the development fails; the additional tax expires when the bonds are paid off. The revenue generated from the extra hotel and sales taxes would fund the hotel infrastructure and development only.

“I’m lucky I don’t have to vote today,” says Patin, who remains steadfast in his commitment to study every pro and con of the developer’s request before casting his vote, scheduled for March 15, despite mounting pressure and threats from the Tea Party of Lafayette. “It’s difficult to get all viewpoints across when it escalates and tempers flare,” says Patin, referencing at Feb. 10 meeting he had with the TPL.

Patin is meeting with his District 8 constituents Wednesday, Feb. 23, at 6:30 p.m. at the Southside Regional Library to hear from them and to address their concerns about the project, which borders his district. District 7's Bertrand will attend the meeting as well.

Patin has invited developer Stewart to address the crowd and answer any questions, and the councilman is adamant the discourse will be civil.

Read more about the proposed TIF districts in tomorrow’s Independent Weekly.



Comments (34)add
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written by TooLittleTooLate , February 22, 2011 - 05:45 pm
He already voted for it - now he's gonna ask the people what they think? He should have done that before the vote the other night.
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written by Positive attitude , February 22, 2011 - 06:02 pm
It seems most of the realtors and developers in town support the TIF, even some developers that support theTea Party .
THe need for a 4-5 star hotel was identified by the economic development team at LEDA several years ago. A TIF package was created and any developer can apply for the incentive. The city is not at risk and if it fails only the developer and the people who buy the bonds are at risk.
This development will employ lots of our citizens, attract out of towers to our great city because of the convention center, and increase tax revenues. If I don't like the lifestyle center, I can shop down the street at the target shopping center or across the street at River Ranch.

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written by Hidden in the pumpkin , February 22, 2011 - 06:24 pm
The good thing about the Tea Party is that it includes a number of philosophical conservatives who understand that excessive taxation inhibits business and funds the proliferation of a larger and more invasive government.The bad thing about the Tea Party is that it includes a number of morons who have a Pavlovian response to certain key words like "tax" and who operate from imperatives largely visceral and probably origionating from infantile conflicts and anxieties of the nursery.And speaking of babies, that is who tends to get thrown out with the bathwater when the latter variety have their way.
In the case of TIF's, particularly the one referred to in this article, it is not an "inflicted" type of tax in that one does not pay it if one does not consume the product or service, and, face it, we ain't talking electricity or health care here. And personally, when my friends come to town I would rather have the option in putting them up in a real hotel than in one of the low end chain establishments so it would not be so obvious they were visiting Hooterville.

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written by Leave it to Beiber , February 22, 2011 - 07:00 pm
Keith Patin has been taking a beating . . .for having an open mind.
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Patin's mind was so open his brains fell out.
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written by Leave it to Beiber , February 22, 2011 - 07:02 pm
Hidden in the pumpkin "real hotel than in one of the low end chain establishments so it would not be so obvious they were visiting Hooterville."
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Hooterville! Sounds good to me. I like Hooters.


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written by Poor Patin , February 22, 2011 - 07:05 pm
Poor Keith Patin. He's receving "threats" from the tea party group. We should all come to the rescue of this poor, defenseless politician.

Geez, we make it sound as if he could face bodily harm.

The only "threats" Patin is probably facing is a possible challenger this Fall, and very well should face a challenger, regardless if it come from the right or left of the political spectrum.
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written by Taxman , February 22, 2011 - 07:09 pm
Less Tax. Remember Keith? No you don't. Because you're a republican in name only (RINO)
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written by Compassionate One , February 22, 2011 - 07:24 pm
The Patin/Bertrand "Dog and Pony Show". I'm not going to be here, as I'm in Seattle on business. Someone ask those two peas in a pod, if they ever saw a tax they didn't like!

Hey Cadillac Cowgirl, you said you would explain why you refer to Keith as a "fiscal conservative". My face is purple from holding my breath on that 1.
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written by paging king patin , February 22, 2011 - 07:26 pm
Is there where Cowgirl chimes in that her husband is the best conservative on the council?
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written by LAFAYETTE IDIOT RESIDING IN CA , February 22, 2011 - 08:04 pm
This is all the fault of BUSH, DICK, VITTER, BOUSTANY blah blah blah Republicans attack with hateful tea party blah blah.

SLICK RICKY HARDY is not doing his job. He should represent his district better by bringing Fortune 500 businesses to the Northside blah blah.

This is all a Republican hate machine attacking a good ethical man like DOCTOR Chris Williams blah blah. OIL COMPANIES EVIL!
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written by RISK , February 22, 2011 - 08:12 pm
The bonds have to be guaranteed by someone - regardless of who buys the bond. The city is gonna guarantee the bonds (loans). If they're not paid back then our bond rating suffers. If you think that the city should guarantee developers loans and there is no risk in that, then why isn't every town doing it. And, why don't we do that for every developer? I mean it's a no risk thing - right?
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written by Hugh Robertson , February 22, 2011 - 08:13 pm
this article is incomplete, it doesn't really explain a TIF or how this works do it's hard to have an opinion. I vaguely get the idea there are bonds involved, how much is unknown, and that the proposed taxes only apply to the hotel and it's footprint, but just how big that is etc. is unclear??
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written by theGambler , February 22, 2011 - 08:15 pm
The next thing Joey and company will do is put casinos in our hotels and say it's legal as long as they say so.........we've seen that play before. Gaming verses Gambling. In Lafayette they'll just call it "Louisiana Holdem"!
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written by Lou Patin aka Cadillac Cowgirl , February 22, 2011 - 08:39 pm
People- People- People! Let's learn about the TIF and all the questions surrounding it before we start the mudslinging....namecalling and threats of doomsday! Compassionate one-- I apologize-- please ask questions again and I will answer-- purple- however- great color for the Mardi Gras season.
"Poor Patin"- like that you like the name "patin" enough to use it !
And Too little to late-- the CPC voted to introduce...that's all!
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written by Positive attitude , February 22, 2011 - 08:50 pm
Risk.....check your facts. the city is not at risk, not even our bond rating. Everybody is not doing it because there are certain requirements set forth that have to be met, for example: the 5 star hotel.
If the developer does not meet the requirements, then there is no TIF.
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written by MyCouncilWoman , February 22, 2011 - 09:08 pm
Good thing Lou always answers her constituants. Good thing for my district. Glad to have her as my councilwoman.
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written by Another One? , February 22, 2011 - 09:16 pm
Did we just have another CPC meeting where our councilcritters voted to fill councilman's seat with his wife?
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written by Risk , February 22, 2011 - 09:26 pm
Hey positive attitude - is one of the "other" requirements is that you have to be an old high school friend of Joey? Because. Well - ya know!
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written by NoMoreTaxes , February 22, 2011 - 10:30 pm
Interesting how positive attitude knows what the realtors and developers think. Guess he took a poll. But, it's not hard to figure. If government forces the citizens to pay for your private development thru sales tax and you walk away with millions - yep I guess that developers and realtors would love that. If we are gonna use a tax to pay for property and/or development it should be only for development or streets we own as a community. Other than that - the developer can pay his own expenses - like true developers do.
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written by SixShooter , February 22, 2011 - 10:42 pm
I love me some COWgirl!
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written by Gene Broussard , February 22, 2011 - 11:50 pm
Simple-minded, mean, ignorant, self-serving, hateful, and dangerous are all words or terms which describe what makes up the tea party.
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written by Knowledge is Power , February 23, 2011 - 12:47 am
People need to read the article, calm down and think before getting all worked up over this TIF. First, think about who will be going to this 5-star hotel. Will it be you or me paying that extra tax??? Probably not because why would WE stay in a hotel that is 2 miles from our house? Most of the people staying at the hotel (and thus paying the extra taxes) will be from out of town/state! Now, as far as the shops that will be in that development; is anyone forcing you to shop there? NO! It's not like we live in some podunk town and this development will have the ONLY grocery store or clothing store etc. If you don't want to pay the extra taxes then simply don't shop in that development! Go down the street and shop at the mall or get your groceries at Super One. Finally, let's be VERY honest here; if no one had told you about the TIF being in place, how many of you would have even noticed the extra tax being taken out? Whether you will admit it or not most of you WOULD NOT NOTICE!!!
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written by Positive attitude , February 23, 2011 - 01:49 am
Risk,
Mistaken again! The 9 council persons will vote on the TIF. Mr Durel does not get a vote. So if you are not in favor of this project, you should voice your opinion to your representative. I have.
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written by James Melancon , February 23, 2011 - 02:58 am
Section 2-17 of the Charter seems to be clear that any increase in taxes is to be subject to voter approval. If this is the case, then the existing TIFs could be in jeopardy to a court challenge.
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written by BeauPartae , February 23, 2011 - 10:27 am
I can't exactly tell you why this smells, but it does. I don't have time to research this completely. TIFs were supposed to be to encourage development in areas that were falling to let's say "urban decay". Like to revitalize downtown. If the program was changed & now allows for financing the wealthiest area of the city, they shame on whomever did it and shame on those who let it happen. Shame on those corporations taking advantage of it & who probably have given campaign donations or business opportunities to gain what they have. THERE IS A LIABILITY TO THE TAXPAYER SOMEWHERE, of that you can be sure of. THIS IS A TAX, whatever you say its for. I'm not a Repub. I'm not a Tea pot. I'm a person, of a certain age, who's seen the public get screwed enuf to know there's a screwing brewing. Joe Citizen, get the KY ready! I PERSONALLY DONT GIVE A RAT'S APPLE ABOUT ANYONE WHO THINKS LAFAYETTE HOTELS AREN'T LUXURIOUS ENUF FOR THIER DELICATE DERRIERES! I'd just as soon Laf not have people like that live here or visit here. AND I SURE DON'T WANT TO FINANCE IT or be responsible for it. And dont tell me I don't have to shop there, because I know that. I still don't like it or want it. And I've YET to see anything in RR I'm interested in. The parking there is crap anyway & I HATE FOLLOWING THE ILLEGAL GOLF CARTS!!! So I won't give any extra tax dollars to high fallutin big shots & I'd like for someone to challenge the new tax in court. Taxation by idiotic representation? I'm beginning to think Repubs are against taxation, unless its something THEY want. Less government unless its more govt THEY want.....
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written by Bovine Waste aka Bullshipper , February 23, 2011 - 02:38 pm
Seems as though everyone has an opinion. I see the same negative comments from the same people with an ax to grind. Thank goodness YOU'RE not in government because nothing would ever get done. Hey at lease Mr. Patin is trying. He's asking for opinions; but some of you have formed your opinions and you're not even sure what you're talking about. It's still a free country. Why not try and run for city council next election if you can stand the heat and have all the answers.
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written by andy hebert , February 23, 2011 - 02:51 pm
Louisiana
Tax Increment Development Act
LOUISIANA REVISED STATUTES
TITLE 47. REVENUE AND TAXATION
SUBTITLE 9. DEVELOPMENT FINANCING
CHAPTER 1. TAX INCREMENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS
§8021. Property exempt from taxes and from levy and sale by virtue of an execution
B. The property of a corporation acquired or held for the purposes of this Chapter is declared to be public property used for essential public and governmental purposes and such property, or any interest therein, in the hands of the corporation or any subsidiary thereof, shall be exempt from all taxes of the parish or municipality, the state, or any political subdivision thereof or any other taxing body.
FYI

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written by andy hebert , February 23, 2011 - 02:53 pm
First he said people should "take ownership of improving our community”.

"This is a perfect use of tax dollars because everyone in our community will benefit from such a wonderful 'Central Park,' and no one person should feel responsible for 'buying' it," Durel wrote there.

“The council also approved a resolution to apply to the State Bond Commission for permission to sell up to $6 million in Certificates of Indebtedness to fund the City-Parish takeover of the University of Louisiana-Lafayette's Horse Farm Property.”

FYI: it is $6 million in CITY OF LAFAYETTE CERTIFICATES OF INDEBTEDNESS being sold ONLY.

It appears only the City of Lafayette persons “should feel responsible for 'buying' it”.

How about a PARISH wide TIFF district to fund PARISH BONDS for the new community “Central Park” “because everyone in our community will benefit” instead of just selling $6 million in “City of Lafayette backed Bonds?

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written by James Melancon , February 23, 2011 - 06:28 pm
Knowledge is Power "who will be going to this 5-star hotel. Will it be you or me paying that extra tax??? Probably not...
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Yes, you may not pay it directly but it increases the cost of doing business in Lafayette.

This way of thinking happens around the country by trying to shift taxes to non-residents. What happens is when we travel, we pay the additional special taxes for hotels. So, Lafayette residents pay taxes for other governments and out-of-town visitors pay ours.

You might call it a government scheme by stealth tax.


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written by Knowledge is Power , February 24, 2011 - 01:26 am
There are so many typical small minded comments on this forum. People like Mr. Melancon who are just convinced that there is a government scheme behind EVERY decision made. Thank heavens for people like Joey Durel, Keith Patin and Gregg Gothreaux! These are people with vision; people who don't just look at what is good for Lafayette today or next week; they are looking ahead to next year, five years and ten years down the road.

Alot of thought goes into these projects. Market studies, economic studies and feasibility studies. No one wants this venture to fail so ALOT of time and effort goes into these decisions. Lafayette was built by visionaries and risk takers like the Heymanns, the Abdallas and many, many others. Playing it safe may make people feel more comfortable but it will NOT move Lafayette forward!!
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written by Dr.Northsidian Shotgun , February 24, 2011 - 03:21 pm
Oh come on, " Knowledge is power, Heymanns and Abdallas were the first SWEATSHOPS in the state, get your history correct Lackey.
"You did'nt work there.
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written by Exretailshopgirl , February 24, 2011 - 10:28 pm
Dr. you are SO right! I worked as a sales clerk for the Ostrich's @ La Parisienne. It was so degrading. We were treated with such disdain. I will admit the employee discount was fantastic though, half off or cost. But the only visions they had were dollar bills in their pockets. I finally got my degree & left & never shopped there again.
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written by James Melancon , February 25, 2011 - 01:18 pm
Knowledge is Power "There are so many typical small minded comments on this forum. People like Mr. Melancon who are just convinced that there is a government scheme behind EVERY decision made."
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No, to your question, but yes to the TIFs. Government should provide a level playing field but TIFs disrupt this by giving an advantage to one business over another.


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written by Leave to to Beiber , February 25, 2011 - 01:21 pm
Exretailshopgirl "I worked as a sales clerk for the Ostrich's @ La Parisienne.
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If you rememember La Parisienne you should be dead by now.
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